Comments on: Jillian Michaels controversy a reminder that coming out is not always black & white /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542 Setting Australia’s LGBTI agenda since 1979 Fri, 21 Nov 2014 21:37:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Ruxxy /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-286048 Fri, 21 Nov 2014 21:37:47 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-286048 Fadi – most of the sentiment on this page clearly shows that most of us are in total agreement. The only thing that is a stand- out is your attack on Ian Thorpe. The fact is he too is entitled to handle things the way he want’s to and no he hasn’t used his sexuality for financial gain by lying. Best not to be too judgemental.

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By: Mazz Bee /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-274171 Sat, 01 Nov 2014 00:17:48 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-274171 Ladyy KaKa

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By: Jennifer Duke /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273907 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:41:48 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273907 In reply to Fadi Kazmuz.

Haha I don’t pretend to know much about celebrities! But I think it’s irrelevant in this particular situation referring to Michaels.
I don’t see why a celebrity who doesn’t use that aspect of themselves to make money must be open to sharing their intimate thoughts and feelings with others.
In saying that, I do agree that if they’re exploiting other people for their own gain then it should generally be exposed.

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By: Fadi Kazmuz /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273906 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:34:36 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273906 In reply to Fadi Kazmuz.

Hi Jennifer Duke, I did not say that she in particular has absurd her status; but generally speaking public figures get to abuse their status. Look at Ian Thorpe. He was paid so much money to once again lie on tv and say I’m gay. Paris Hilton gets to be released from prison because the sheets are not soft and she has a skin irritation. Surely you and me will never be so lucky to abuse the system as they do;)

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By: Will Capewell /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273844 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:08:47 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273844 She is a woman in love with another woman, end of story. She doesn’t has to label herself!

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By: Yaridia Flores-Dinius /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273761 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 05:50:02 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273761 In reply to Yaridia Flores-Dinius.

Xoxo

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By: Jennifer Duke /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273760 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 05:08:07 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273760 In reply to Fadi Kazmuz.

Fadi, you make a fair point about the status quo being different for those who are public personas. However, I don’t necessarily think she has exploited her sexuality and then done an about turn. If anything, she has been completely honest about her personal challenges with homosexuality to the media and to the public. I wouldn’t class myself as a Jillian Michaels fan as such (not a Biggest Loser fan, nor do I follow many celebrities or personal trainers), but when she said what she did it resonated with me.

Whether or not we like it, public figures (if she can be called that) are human beings, and deserve freedom and respect the same as everyone else.

I also think that your statement about LGBTIQ people having “fucked up attitude towards who we are” is a little unfair. The majority of people, regardless of sexuality, go through periods of doubting or just downright disliking themselves. We are all part of some minority or another. I’m also not sure that there is a “rise” in homophobia at present – at least in my experience of where I have lived and who I have met. It is vastly different than the experiences of those in our community who are older than me. I’ve never feared for my personal safety due to my sexuality, nor have I ever felt compelled to defend myself to anyone I’ve met (in person – the internet is a different anonymous mess). I know many older LGBTIQ people who have vastly different stories growing up.

One thing I do concede to is the idea that we can be most damaging to ourselves. My fears and dread around coming out, my own insecurities, were, in hindsight, worse than what actually happened by a long shot. However, those internalised fears are based on what we have heard and seen and what is the “norm” around us. I don’t blame my teenage self for feeling abnormal, and I certainly don’t blame my younger self for causing a rise in homophobia! Most kids feel abnormal – my reasons were just different.

Feeling proud of who you are isn’t an automatic thing for many people. We shouldn’t begrudge those who take longer to get to that point.

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By: Anthony Venn-Brown /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273657 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 01:38:43 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273657 In reply to Yaridia Flores-Dinius.

and so glad we met on the dance floor SFO Pride 2013 :-)

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By: Yaridia Flores-Dinius /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273658 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 01:32:44 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273658 *move ….p.s if you’re worried about coming out if the closet then maybe you shouldn’t pose for pictures of you and your family

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By: Yaridia Flores-Dinius /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273656 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 01:30:57 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273656 Why does it have to be about being gay or straight if she’s asked then be proud of who she is with pride….they aren’t asking you are you gay….. If she were a man you wouldn’t say this is my heterosexual boyfriend….. I’m not gay or straight…..I am a Mexican American woman named Yaridia and my girlfriend”s name is Lissa simple as that …. If she doesn’t want to disclose then simply say no…we’re not related and more on ….your close guilt compels you to feel like you have to explain further when in fact no one has asked you to…perhaps…. Who knows….. I’m so over the closet! There”s more pressing things like babies being thrown is the trash or going hungry to be concerned about who everyone is sleeping with or how strong your flow is! (Sorry Anthony Venn-Brown. I had to throw that one it!)

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By: Anthony Venn-Brown /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273629 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 01:01:18 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273629 In reply to Anthony Venn-Brown.

“After clarifying that by “normal” she meant what is popularly perceived to be normal, she then said this gem: “If I was ashamed of who I am, I would be in the closet.”

It’s far from in the closet to be out to the world, in a magazine discussing your homosexuality and living your life with a same-sex partner. If she then chooses to make her life a little simpler by not explaining herself to everyone who asks, then that is her choice and nothing to be demonised about.”
Exactly. No one has the right to tell others how they should live

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By: Kelsey Fay Hoe /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273578 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:56:52 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273578 Rach Howe

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By: Tony Forbes /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273381 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:25:17 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273381 She’s hot! I would!!

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By: Fadi Kazmuz /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273356 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:00:18 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273356 When you are a pubic figure unfortunately you must be honest. Nothing pisses me off more than public figures bucketing big $$ on things like their sexuality (Ian Thorpe is master in doing that), their binge drinking problems, their drugs issues etc…. Yes in theory you don’t have to tell the world anything, but when you are asked a simple question why should you lie rather than answering it? Are you embarrassed with who you are? Scared? If you can’t accept who you are why would others do? ( and it’s not only about your sexuality).
In fact what makes us LGBTIQ people as abnormal is our fucked up attitude towards who we are. One day we want equality, the next we don’t want to talk about it, then we want to get married, but can’t be bothered doing anything about it…. I actually feel sorry for straight people having to deal with such indecisive bunch of people like us! And frankly the rise of homophobia at present is our own doing! Once we acknowledge that we became our own worst enemy, only then we can move forward and become “normal”. What happened to the “I’m here, I’m queer, get used to it” attitude? Geeeee

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By: Mark /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273342 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:37:53 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273342 I heartily agree with Jillian – Sometimes this world makes me wish I was ‘normal’ and has a buxom wife instead if a boyfriend (that I can’t marry in this country).
Anyway, ones sexuality is their own personal identity and can choose how they share it and with whom.

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By: ria /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273328 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:06:54 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273328 She is completely right.
Why should a nobody know her personal business.
It should be up to her when to share such details or when to just say yeah sure so that the person would move along.

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By: Katrina Sharpe /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273325 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:58:57 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273325 I dont know any gay lesbian who hasnt done this

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By: Shellie Ricardo /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273289 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:03:12 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273289 It’s true you don’t need to come out to every person you meet does the guy in the servo of the town you’re passing through 500kms away really need to be corrected if he says your husband instead of girlfriend/wife. I do it I just can’t be bothered talking to people enough to go through it & then hear about their sisters friends gay cousin blah blah blah.

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By: HM Queenie /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273290 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:45:35 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273290 She has the right to choose when to disclose. Unless there was an international vote that elected her to be the 24 how walking lgbti ambassador that I wasn’t aware of, why should she do something she isn’t comfortable with at the time?

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By: Jennifer Duke /opinion/soapbox-opinion/jillian-michaels-controversy-a-reminder-that-coming-out-is-not-always-black-white/129542#comment-273291 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:25:14 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=129542#comment-273291 In reply to Anthony Venn-Brown.

Perhaps. I suppose it rings true for some. It’s just such a personal thing. We should all be able to come out on out own terms.

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