Comments on: Gosford’s pro-marriage equality priest: why I won’t wed gay couples /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202 Setting Australia’s LGBTI agenda since 1979 Fri, 08 Apr 2016 09:29:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: ben /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-576356 Fri, 08 Apr 2016 09:29:31 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-576356 Of course Rod Bower won’t leave the Anglican Church it is what legitimises his position and it is not like he can do anything else.

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By: Paul /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-419764 Mon, 25 May 2015 14:12:03 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-419764 He now opposes same-sex marriage, because the ACL paid him under the table to oppose same-sex marriage!

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By: John /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-419759 Mon, 25 May 2015 14:03:35 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-419759 I’ll mention your views on another circulation in future as you won’t print mine. Goodbye!

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By: Lindsay Stafford /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-253504 Sun, 05 Oct 2014 23:37:33 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-253504 In reply to Lee-Gwen Booth.

There is a huge difference between can’t and won’t.
EVERY marriage is performed under the laws of Australia which deffine the requirements for a celebrant. Basically there are 2 types – Civil Celebrant and Minister of religion. A minister of religion solemnises a marriage according to the “rites of (insert denomination)”. The Celebrant’s right to do this is controlled by the denomination in this case the Anglican Church.
Should the Church remove that right, then ANY marriage celebrated by Father Rod would not be legal.

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By: Lee-Gwen Booth /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-250698 Thu, 02 Oct 2014 03:13:07 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-250698 In reply to Rodney Cruise.

If you search for his name, you’ll find that Father Rob has, indeed, marched for marriage equality.

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By: Lee-Gwen Booth /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-250682 Thu, 02 Oct 2014 02:46:43 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-250682 In reply to Rod Bower.

Much as I admire your stance in terms of pushing for marriage equality, I think it needs to be said that “can’t” and “won’t” amount to the same thing here.

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By: Lee-Gwen Booth /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-250679 Thu, 02 Oct 2014 02:37:43 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-250679 In reply to oliver.

Oliver, my Lady and I already HAVE a child. Not being allowed to legally marry had no impact on that.

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By: Wlll Collyer /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-247881 Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:07:39 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-247881 Lordy – FFSAKE – YOU lot have really made an arse of yourself…

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By: Will Collyer /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-247874 Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:39:56 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-247874 I was bought up in the early years with catholic ideology. In later years, the anglican. It’s all christianity to me. May I say – this man has done more for christian beliefs than anyone else. He’s a man who welcomes our differences – and yes – there are many.

Be good to one and other – reserve judgement. Be a good human.

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By: Barrie /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-243509 Fri, 26 Sep 2014 04:33:16 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-243509 This shows there has been no real debate on the issue. For example, why do people of faith get to double-dip?
1. By going throught the rites of their religion.
2. Getting a certificate of marriage from the government.
Marriage in the civil sense has changed so much that giving-it-to-the-gays is tokenistic and insulting. Surely it’s time marriage went away altogether. Especially given the embarrasing divorce rate. I even heard that the lesbian couple who who poster girls for the New Zealand campaign didn’t last a year together.
In the absence of marriage laws religions can go on conducting ceremonies under their own rules as section 116 of the Constitution* allows. People who practice no religion would be free to do whatever they like. True equality is in that sort of freedom from government sanctions.

*There’s nothing in the Australian Constitution about sex, sexuality or gender. That is why religions always have an upperhand on these issues.

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By: Paul of Forbes NSW /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-243272 Fri, 26 Sep 2014 03:43:32 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-243272 Maybe Father Rod Bower has joined in with ISIS and WBC?

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By: Paul and John /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-243258 Fri, 26 Sep 2014 03:40:34 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-243258 Living in Tonystain (Australia) – I feel embarrassed and ashamed that my country cannot join the rest of the western world in allowing marriage equality legally. Some parts of Mexico and the US, UK, Canada, New Zealand, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, France, etc all allow marriage equality – it is time Australia stopped being petty and really move on from this issue for goodness sake!

When I and my partner win $1 million on Keno (numbers picked are 1, 10, 19, 31, 33, 39, 44, 69, 71 and 80), I will be moving to Norfolk Island and permanently living there because they will soon have it!

I am sick and tired of Australia, it is not what is was in the past were people were given a fair go and now with a Government so corrupt and every single news story being about murders, shootings and terrorism acts – I am moving to Norfolk Island!

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By: Damo /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-239869 Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:03:18 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-239869 Father Rod’s position on same-sex marriage should be applauded not derided and other religious leaders should be encouraged to follow his lead. The current Marriage Act allows for marriages to be conducted by ministers of religion, according to the rules of their particular faith, and for secular marriage ceremonies conducted by a licensed, non religious, marriage celebrant. According to the Act, neither religious minister or celebrant can be compelled to conduct a marriage for any couple if they choose not to. Changing the Act to allow same-sex marriage would not force either to conduct same-sex marriages, but it would give them the choice to. Father Rod obviously understands this and does not want to stand in the way of same-sex couples getting married, even if he must remain bound by the rules of his church on the matter. Other religious leaders need to stop trying to impose their marriage rules upon those who choose not to be bound by them. Father Rod’s choice should be respected.

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By: Rod Bower /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-238340 Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:58:39 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-238340 In reply to Boon.

Thank you for your kind understanding Boon :) Cheers. Rod

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By: Boon /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-238084 Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:15:36 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-238084 In reply to Rod Bower.

When it comes to human rights and that deeply immutable need to be accepted and loved by our peers, our communities, our tribes and our nations, we’re walking territory governed by emotions, not logic or rationality. It’s difficult, if impossible, to stay perfectly measured and carefully considered at every turn. Especially in print, where we don’t have the benefit of body language and tone to help us understand intent.

I’m guilty of poorly chosen words more often than I would like :)

Thank you for the apology, though it isn’t needed. You do far more good for my place in the world than most.

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By: Rod Bower /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-237232 Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:39:24 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-237232 In reply to Boon.

Thank you Boon
I did put that very clumsily. you know when something comes out of your mouth and you just know that it isn’t just right. I was trying to illuminate the fact that there are a number of issues that take my time and attention. Anger is a very contagious emotion and I think I caught a bit from the person mentioned in the article. Sometimes it sneaks up on you and before you know it……I apologize for the insensitive way I formed that sentence as it does not truly reflect my views. Please forgive me. Fr Rod

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By: Bobby /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-236444 Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:16:21 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-236444 Just nitpicking, but there should be no [sic] – it’s a pun (CF the rite of marriage)

“everyone should have the rite [sic] to be married”

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By: Maree /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-236282 Thu, 25 Sep 2014 05:41:57 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-236282 Life is not black or white, all or nothing. Rod Bower seems a brave and thoughtful man, and is doing the best within the confines of his power to make a difference.
I like this quote. “People feel this is a contradiction. I don’t, I’m part of a family and I like my family,” he said.
“Even if I don’t agree with everything they say we have enough in common to keep us together.”
I also don’t think he was minimising the marriage equality issue, but he has also got other injustices he needs to address as well.
Society as a whole needs someone like him in his position to keep alive all those issues.
Well done Mr Bower.

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By: Boon /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-236256 Thu, 25 Sep 2014 05:35:49 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-236256 In reply to Rod BowerName (required).

Father Rod, the headline is sensationalist click-bait. As is the way with media today. You would be hard pressed to find an article published in the last year that didn’t take liberties with the context to imply melodrama.

Also, I wrote a longer reply in the comments, but “the people you have risked your job to support” account for at least 200,000 members of the Australian population. A few replies here do not represent that community.

Perhaps those replying are doing so emotionally. This is a charged issue for those of us who live with it day to day. Don’t be discouraged. There’s a lot of unresolved emotions in this discussion.

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By: Boon /news/national-news/gosfords-pro-marriage-equality-priest-why-i-wont-wed-gay-couples/128202#comment-236213 Thu, 25 Sep 2014 05:26:07 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=128202#comment-236213 I’m not sure why your character is under attack in the comments here, Father Rob. I can understand your position, and I think you’re absolutely right that you can do more good within the church than outside it.

But I object to this quote: “I know that for the people it effects personally it’s all consuming but it’s not the only issue we’re concerned with and, to be blunt, when people are committing suicide in detention camps there are other issues which are a little more pressing.”

Suggesting that we have “more pressing” issues is depressingly dismissive, and the same argument that has been regularly used against equality advocates, perhaps to shame us into silence, as though asking for equality is a selfish and cruel act that impacts on the well being of others.

Are we limited to addressing one social injustice at a time? Does someone maintain a list of ethical concerns, to which we should submit our case and quietly wait our turn?

And for the record, as I’m sure you’re aware, gay people have some of the highest rates of mental health issues, self-harm, homelessness and suicide among any demographic, thanks to vilification and marginalisation by the wider community.

I am hugely appreciative of your support. Your advocacy has been a positive influence, in a world that often overloads those of us on the fringes with negativity. But I won’t apologise for feeling that equality for myself and the people dear to me is more than an interesting little dinner table conversation.

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