Comments on: Gay boy politics /opinion/soapbox-opinion/gay-boy-politics/63987 Setting Australia’s LGBTI agenda since 1979 Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:56:15 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Jesse Matheson /opinion/soapbox-opinion/gay-boy-politics/63987#comment-82389 Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:56:15 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=63987#comment-82389 Jason, everything I write about I write from observation. These are things that I have observed personally and I feel are worthy of being written about.

Many older gay men I have talked to do not take on board my political point of view. We can easily observe a large portion of youth who hate Labor and Liberals because they doing hold their values.

There has been various articles that do show that my generation is as I have described it, and from my own person experience my generation is exactly how I’ve described it.

If my stereotypical view of older men is a problem, then you can blame some of the older guys that I chat to.

I’m sorry that your comments weren’t published, I’m not in charge of that but I welcome comments. I also accept everyone for who they are, but if someone annoys me or if something I observe I think is wrong, I will probably write about it.

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By: Jason B /opinion/soapbox-opinion/gay-boy-politics/63987#comment-82226 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 04:11:54 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=63987#comment-82226 I commented here and my remarks did not pass moderation. How do the writers get honest feedback if forum posts are “cherry picked” ????

All I had basically said was that I find this writer to be making a habit of making sweeping generalizations that ostracize an entire group of people, like the column about gay Christians. Now it is GenY and GenX among other things.

I also put to Mt Matheson that possibly he would be well advised to adopt the inclusive attitude we ask of mainstream society in our call for acceptance and equality. Is anything less not a case of hypocrisy and “gay elitism” ???

I would really appreciate it if my comments are published, as I do not feel these remarks are offensive or abusive —- please correct me if I am wrong on this.

Thankyou.
Jase

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By: Anton Veenstra /opinion/soapbox-opinion/gay-boy-politics/63987#comment-82214 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:24:39 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=63987#comment-82214 Jesse Matheson can write on my blog any day of the week. I know what he means: when I came out, older guys [10+ years older] spoke to you as if you were a dumb blond, tried to bully you into stuff.
Thank you for your insight into where it’s at for your gen; the emphasis changes with each decade. Let’s hope things are improving. We worked hard towards equality in the 70’s.

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By: Muz /opinion/soapbox-opinion/gay-boy-politics/63987#comment-82160 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:20:02 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=63987#comment-82160 I agree with Phil Devereux’s comment above. Please don’t assume that just because some youths are disenchanted with the current political parties that they don’t have an understanding of how politics works. In fact, to be disenchanted with the parties, surely an understanding of the political process would be required first to make such a judgement.

There are also some broad generalisations made about both young and older gay men and the Gen X crowd which are unfair. I’ve met many people from your/my generation interested in both financial and humanist issues. As for older guys viewing younger guys as ‘entertainment’, maybe you’re just mixing with the wrong crowd.

The disclaimer included was quite confusing. Why would you buy a so-called ‘dumb’ guy a drink in the hope he’ll shut up? Why not just talk to someone else and leave him alone?

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By: Tino /opinion/soapbox-opinion/gay-boy-politics/63987#comment-82060 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 05:12:38 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=63987#comment-82060 My only comment is that I’d be a little more cautious when essentially speaking on behalf on an entire generation. I (unfortunately) doubt we can simply breed out those ideological clashes.

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By: Phil Devereux /opinion/soapbox-opinion/gay-boy-politics/63987#comment-82033 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:43:43 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=63987#comment-82033 I disagree that “it’s quite unfortunate that we are seeing many kids around my age disenchanted with both major political parties.”

You can be disenchanted with both major political parties and still actively involved and interested in politics. I am a young, gay man who is thoroughly involved in politics. Unfortunately, a lot of people, rightly disillusioned with the ALP and LNP, disregard politics altogether because they don’t realise there are principled people representing the interests of the public in parliament as independents and in our minor parties.

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By: Brendan Maclean /opinion/soapbox-opinion/gay-boy-politics/63987#comment-82027 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:11:42 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=63987#comment-82027 What bars are you going to where being young and gay gets you free drinks? Why haven’t I been told about this rule. When I first went to the city I had to scramble my dollars to buy passion pop to drink in the gutter before sneaking into Stonewall.

And I’m not sure if I agree with the sentiments that an older generation of men don’t want to talk politics. In my experience, I think they see that as a sign of direction, worldly knowledge. In fact I’d more assume older gay men mostly dismiss younger gay men in the “DISCLAIMER” section of your piece – the ones refusing to bring up politics for being too complicated to hold a conversation with.

Obviously there is a generation gap in that GEN X HOMO have been through far worse than we have in consideration to their rights. I’m sure a gay young man growing up in the 1970’s would never have thought they could march down Oxford St protesting for marriage, let alone come out.

Finally, it’s not really any one else’s job to assume you have a brain, and if someone thinks they can assume your intelligent through what you wear or how you dance or what you drink well they can go find a glory hole.

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By: Dave /opinion/soapbox-opinion/gay-boy-politics/63987#comment-82018 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:57:11 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=63987#comment-82018 Yes Tony Abbott did cut his balls off and write in a Blood Oath “I feel uncomfortable about gays”, but as we are told by conservative Hillsong Happy clappers like Peter Costello, the Liberal Party is a broad Church- in other words they get into bed with every crackpot such as Barny the Banana using just spit instead of lube in the name of the holy father the National Party. I mean fuck the lefties and their condoms and radical ideas of Civil Rights for the gays? But do not let this current mob of throffing at the mouth religious zealots make you become the Nanny the State- look to the UK if you want to see real conservatives in action. At least they separate Church from State, and do not go around as Tony Abbott did saying “A woman’s greatest gift is her virginity to man”.

Many people who vote Liberal support GLBTI rights as the polls show, but the polls also show that politicians are not representing the majority who vote for them who support equality. Young Liberals support equality, as does Young Labor, so generational change is underway in the parties, and some of us do not wish to wait for change and are flocking to the Greens who does not make your birth a punishment.

The issue for some older members of the GLBTI community is not that they are Aslan roaming Narnia, but they believed in real Liberal values and did not seek to have laws of religion forced onto citizens. Not to mention they grew up just hoping to shag and not go to jail, so this talk of Marriage can be a bit excessive to some.

But do not give up, keep your flame of hope going. Every generation gets told “you’re too young to understand”. If you are good enough to be paid less, die for us in foreign lands, and pay for University unlike Gillard or Abbott who got it free, then you have every right to form an opinion and not be put down due to your age.

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By: Unknown /opinion/soapbox-opinion/gay-boy-politics/63987#comment-82017 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:50:21 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=63987#comment-82017 Are you for real, someone that speaks about being ‘young & gay’ the way you do, shouldn’t be taken seriously about anything….

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