Comments on: A secretary for social exclusion /opinion/soapbox-opinion/a-secretary-for-social-exclusion/15181 Setting Australia’s LGBTI agenda since 1979 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:32:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Shaey /opinion/soapbox-opinion/a-secretary-for-social-exclusion/15181#comment-64574 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:32:25 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=15181#comment-64574 It doesn’t sound as if we have progressed as a society from 400 AD, when the Emporer and Church ordered all non-christians killed and any pagan books of faith to be burned.
I believe that we all have the right to believe in whatever we want. What we do not have the right to do is force your private beliefs on others. I am a Pagan, and feel offended the local primary school tries to force my child into RE. Religious beliefs are personal and private. They should not be used to subvert, over-rule, ostricise, or strike against any other human.
How can Parliament put Ursula Stephens into a role of head of social inclusion? Oh, that’s right, as long as you are of a Christian faith, Hetrosexual, not on welfare, and probably White, you will be just fine under her rule. I thought “Social Inclusion” meant Everybody and Equality – silly me.

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By: Andrew M. Potts /opinion/soapbox-opinion/a-secretary-for-social-exclusion/15181#comment-15819 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:55:05 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=15181#comment-15819 Ben- We should definitely be more welcoming of members of progressive religious denominations who have it in their hearts to support us- and some of us could treat GLBT Christians with a greater deal of respect.

However it is precisely the lack of respect for the separation of church and state and the secular democracy in which we live that is demonstrated in the Lord’s Prayer being read at the start of each day by Parliamentary Standing Order that is holding up our progression to becoming full and equal members of this society.

I have no problem with Christians serving as MPs or Senators in our Parliament provided they are prepared to put the needs of their electorates before their private religious taboos.

If Christian MPs want to pray before the start of Parliament they should by all means be given a room outside the chamber to do so, but such prayers should not be incorporated into Parliamentary proceedings in any formal manner.

If in the event of a terrible catastrophe or the like being announced in the chamber, I have no problem with the Speaker calling for a moment of quiet reflection or silence in which religious MPs might pray quietly in their seats, and non-religious MPs might reflect on said occurrence in their own quiet ways.

I have no problem that there exists a Parliamentary Christian Fellowship.

However, I do not think it is appropriate for the Government to appoint its President to an office responsible for Social Inclusion, or that the boards that report to her are so uninclusive.

As someone born in Ireland I would like to think that Ursula Stephens would know better than to support an event like National Marriage Day when it parallels so closely with one of the most ugly faces of the Irish Catholic/Protestant divide- the Orange Day Marches held on the anniversary of the Protestant king, William of Orange’s defeat of the Catholic James II at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690.

To this day, Protestant Irish “Orange Men” parade through Catholic neighbourhoods on the 12 of July in an ugly celebration of anti-Catholic triumphalism.

In the same way National Marriage Day is a hubristic celebration of a Christian victory over the GLBT population of this country and if they get their way, it will be a national celebration held every year with the endorsement of Government.

And for the record- although I do not identify with any organised religion, I am not an atheist, and were I sitting in the Parliament I would expect to be held to the exact same expectations in relation to my beliefs.

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By: Ben /opinion/soapbox-opinion/a-secretary-for-social-exclusion/15181#comment-15813 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:04:11 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=15181#comment-15813 Andrew, earlier you made the valid point that the same-sex marriage campaign needs to reach out to supporters in faith movements (Churches).

We should not campaign against reciting the Lords Prayer, or attack politicians for being part of a church/synagogue/mosque.

Faith and belief in God are not exclusive to homphobics. Let’s get back to focusing on advancing our rights.

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By: Andrew M. Potts /opinion/soapbox-opinion/a-secretary-for-social-exclusion/15181#comment-15746 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:55:24 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=15181#comment-15746 Good thinking Brendan- why not print out a whole bunch and take them with you to the next house party or dinner party you go to- ditto for Australian Marriage Equality’s same-sex marriage petition.

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By: Brendan of Wollongong NSW /opinion/soapbox-opinion/a-secretary-for-social-exclusion/15181#comment-15731 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:32:49 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=15181#comment-15731 As Christian ultra-conservatives continue to thwart the right and custom of marriage for same-sex couples, it seems only fair to demand that THEIR imposing religious customs be excised from Australia’s public institutions.

In today’s era of religious lobbyists, our semi-separation of church and state is untenable. As evidenced by Stephens’ 2007 comments (quoted above) and the very existence of the Parliamentary Christian Fellowship, it poses an ongoing undue influence upon our polity. It allows conflicts between public and sectarian interests to go unchecked. For example, exactly whose interests are being served by Parliamentary Standing Orders which impose a daily recital of the Lord’s Prayer? What potential influence does that hold over elected representatives when they are subject to lobbying on a range of issues by adherents of that prayer? This undermines confidence in our politics. It does religion no favours either.

For starters, help end this mandatory prayer. Two petitions asking that Prayers be removed from the Standing Orders of the House of Representatives and Senate respectively are available from

Download, print and fill out a pair of petitions. For the House petition, leave the principal petitioner blank *or* only use the second page to collect signatures. Print extra pages if needed. It is important that *both* petitions are signed. The House and Senate have separate Standing Orders. The prayers are slightly different in each. The required format for Senate petitions is also different to House petitions. This all means that a separate petition is required for each chamber.

The Senate petition must be presented by a Senator. The office of Senator Bob Brown has confirmed that he will present the Senate petition on signatories’ behalf, so all that needs to be done is collect the signatures then post them back for collation and forwarding to Canberra. Originals of completed petitions (cannot be faxed or electronic copy) may be returned to:

Parliament Prayer Petitions
PO BOX U94
University of Wollongong NSW 2500

SEE ALSO:

End Mandatory Prayer in the Aussie Parliament

Aussies for Separation of Church & State

Keep God out of our democracy

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By: Jason Virgo /opinion/soapbox-opinion/a-secretary-for-social-exclusion/15181#comment-15607 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:15:53 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=15181#comment-15607 As a Labor member this brings me great shame… shame on Kevin Rudd.

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