Comments on: Why marriage is the only answer /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880 Setting Australia’s LGBTI agenda since 1979 Tue, 01 Feb 2011 09:10:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Wally /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-50261 Tue, 01 Feb 2011 09:10:24 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-50261 Let gays marry so that they can be as miserable as the rest of us :P

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By: Tomlin, Tatchell and Maupin for Mardi Gras | Star Online /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-29922 Fri, 10 Dec 2010 08:01:28 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-29922 […] HERE to read Peter Tatchell’s thoughts on gay marriage in […]

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By: Dave /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-28902 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 03:09:41 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-28902 I believe in full equality, not the notion we should be restricted to some rights and not others, this does not fit with my view of equality or fairness.

Why should some rights and freedoms be denied simply because of our sexuality, our gender, or our race? What other rights should we not have if we follow this path? I believe in fairness and a fair go. I believe in equality. Denying people rights and freedoms simply because of their sexuality does not fit into my belief of fairness at all. I see no reason why people’s civil rights should be violated.

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By: DavidW /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-28482 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 20:17:10 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-28482 Why marriage is the only answer- youtube link on getting “civilly unionised” –
It’s very clever! Maybe Tanya Plibersek should add this clip to her “consultation” website where she is pushing for civil unions instead of civil marriage- (she is totally ignoring the Greens directive for the consulation to be about marriage, & instead she is promoting in her current survey that we get civilly unionised instead).

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By: DavidW /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-28479 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 20:08:29 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-28479 “The whole notion of marriage itself should be abolished”. – that’s fine, but until it is, then we are entitled to have a civil marriage in a government registry office like any other tax payer.
btw- history shows that marriage seems to alsways “reform” & “evolve” with the times, rather than gotten rid of. So, it’s not a legitimate arguement to use as an excuse to deny us equal rights for equal taxes paid.

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By: Dave /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-28375 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 07:10:32 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-28375 Yes I can see how a sane person wants to be free of discrimination. I can see how sane person would be very happy about the marriage debate turning every stone of discrimination up and exposing it to all.

A sane person sees how governments are talking about ending other areas of discrimination while the debate goes on.

In a utopia there would be no need for marriage. But the facts are the government has made it such that to have all forms of discrimination against your relationship removed, you need to be married. And well there is something I like about being able to marry my love. If forcing that debate forward frees people from oppression in many areas of their life then I think I can live with that. It is my choice, and my partners to be married.

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By: Ashley /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-28357 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 06:29:17 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-28357 The whole notion of marriage itself should be abolished. It’s a redundant system and the fact that marriage is where the state defines what relationships are accepted and recognised under law is inconsistent with human rights and how diverse relationships in our society are.

The state has no right in defining what a ‘accepted’ relationship should be for consenting adults. Instead of marriage (for either hetero or homosexual ‘couple’s ) we as society need to develop another system which recognises all forms of relationships be it monogamus, polygamus, platonic and all the other combinations there are.

The argument of using marriage as a basis for equality is ridiculous, what sane minded person would want to buy into a system which it has been oppressed by and oppresses. A sane minded person would want liberation and their fellow human to be liberated.

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By: Dave /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-28081 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 22:28:58 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-28081 Of the many good Christians advocating for Same-Sex Marriage, we have Nobel Peace Prize winning Arch-Bishops, Bishops, nuns and priest, scholars, let alone many in our humble Uniting Church. All this and not to count the many other good people who are not associated with a Church.

The Early Church welcomed Same-Sex Marriage, along with other religions, and cultures. Further, marriage has never ever been exclusive to Christianity. To say marriage was only ever done by Christians is a bit like saying the world is still flat.

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By: Mattyd /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-27953 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:03:32 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-27953 Jake you are correct. Peter you are also correct.
Marriage is between a man and a woman. It’s only the vocal minority pushing this
Rubbish. The pro gay croud can get as philosophical as they like but they know in the end
How life is.
I mean really the clear agenda here is to get approval from god. Good luck with that :)

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By: Brendan of Wollongong NSW /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-27901 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:58:05 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-27901 Christian supremacist Peter Stokes of Salt Shakers has no business imposing his contempt for the relationships of gays and lesbians upon everything and everyone else – including the federal Marriage Act.

To all blinkered selfish theocratic mouthpieces of his ilk, I say this: if you don’t want gay marriage, THEN DON’T GET ONE & SHUT THE F*CK UP.

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By: Jake /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-27869 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 02:30:51 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-27869 Marriage should never have been recognised as a state affair. I believe Marriage is ONLY between a man and a women because it has always been that way, it is a religious ceromony allowing a man and women to profess thier love for one another under God. The state should take the Italian and French models of marriage and civil unions… this allows marriage to be marriage and erradicates the arguements of discrimination.

All couples who want tax benefits and to be recognised as a couple by the state should be ‘civil unioned’ in the registary office. Then and only if the unioned couple wish should they pursure religious blessing from their preferred institution. This way marriage stays a religious affair as it has always been since it originated from the Judeo-Christian religions!

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By: Baz /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-27841 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:08:26 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-27841 Peter Stokes might not be quite coherent but at least we know where he’s coming from. As for Dave and his “Temple of Equality”… what the??? I’ll say it again (and again and again): those misty-eyed ideals of a world free of homophobia, discrimination and suicide was all supposed to dawn when homosexuality was decriminalised. That was quarter of a century ago. What will marriage achieve that decriminalisation didn’t?

As for Peter Tatchell, well he’s clearly past his use-by date. He talks about black people in making an example of equality? Why not cut to the chase and just point out a place in the world where blacks enjoy 100% equality with whites… Won’t hold my breath for that one. It’s the worse example you could make and if I was black myself I’d be insulted. Then comes this clanger: “Personally, I don’t like marriage. I share the feminist critique of its history of sexism and patriarchy.” But even with his storm-the-barricade reputation, Peter Tatchell can’t take it that step further and say “Get these laws off our lives altogether!” That would be freedom which, by it’s very nature, makes everybody equal.

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By: Beth Morris /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-27833 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:07:44 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-27833 uh..kinda late to be replying on this….but to peter Strokes.. The way you feel about gays is completely understandable, its just the way that you have been brought up, nobody can change that apart from your slef, however, who gave you the right to descriminate against other peoples views. Are you gay or lesbiand, by the sounds of your comment no,so how would you know what it is like, i personally don;t know…but i imagine its not as easy as it looks,and i don;t think it is something you can just turn on and off. have what ever views you wont on people but keep it to your self,….nobody wants to hear your crap. i would also like to thank the writer of this article…i helped me a great deal with one of my assignments…yeah im in highschool…thats right teenagers have oppinions too, don;t be sexist or ageist..anyway, im just goin to shut up

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By: Ethan /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-27763 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:38:03 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-27763 Murder is the most evil of non-consensual acts. Marriage is among the most powerful consensual commitments that two individuals of either gender can make to each other. Legalizing the rights and responsibilities of marriage for all who would participate leads to legalizing murder in much the same way that my petting my dog leads to nuclear holocaust: not so much, really.

Peter, you need a better lede, and a rejuvenation of your soul wouldn’t hurt either.

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By: Greg /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-27760 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:20:46 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-27760 If you live in the electorate of Sydney, make sure you complete Tanya Plibersek’s survey on gay marriage. It will be used to feed into the federal Labor government’s nationwide canvassing of public opinion on whether Labor should change its stance on the issue. Make sure as many of your friends in the electorate of Sydney complete the survey in favour of gay marriage only (and not civil partnerships).

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By: Kate /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-27727 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 06:07:20 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-27727 Well said Jack. Peter is living in fantasy land if, with all the knowledge we have now, he still believes homosexuality is a choice. Why would anyone choose to live a life where they are ridiculed and hated by people like him? And why is the suicide rate among gay youth 3 times that of hetero youth? Homosexuality cannot be changed or “cured”. Church groups may claim success in these areas, but at what cost to the sanity and self esteem of those concerned. Bottling up your natural feelings up and living a lie is not a cure. What is this obsession people have with what goes on in the privacy of someone’s bedroom between consenting adults? I don’t care, just like I don’t care what goes on in Peter’s bedroom. Love is love, let people love who they want, it certainly is more Godlike than all this hate.

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By: Dave /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-27726 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 06:01:30 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-27726 Let us think Peter Stokes, psychologist associations and psychiatrist associations that believe we are normal as we are, including the AMA, or your opinion?? Black is Black. Wrong is Wrong. But you my friend have a great mental health problem I think trying to impose your obscene cruelty on me.

I have to think as Scientist can now genetically replicate lesbian mice and gay fruit flies, what would they get if they replicated you?

Peace be with you.

Dave

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By: Dave /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-27720 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 05:48:31 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-27720 I do believe this is the Peter Stokes I am thinking , if it is then……

He runs a church of 20 or so, less excluding family. He and his followers turned up in white to one of our first Same-Sex Marriage rallies. They quickly fled surround by thousands of people protesting for Same-Sex Marriage. I had to laugh. He also argues at Mardi Gras there is only a few hundred people attend. Well Peter it is 300,000 on a bad year. What is the maths of your followers to the people having a great time?

Well Peter all that talking in tongues and rolling your eyes. I thought I saw a live exorcist performance, but no, it was tiny Christian cult.

It is clear to me Peter that you are not representative of the Christian Movement. In fact you operate on the fringes of society from what I can see.

All this Same-Sex Marriage debate makes you lose ground. It exposes the irrational arguments of those that seek to oppress people and deny them rights. For years you have been trying to build up a flock by uniting them in fear of the outside world. I guess now you have to find something else to do.

Pease be with you and God Bless,

Dave

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By: Jack /news/why-marriage-is-the-only-answer/37880#comment-27705 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 04:21:45 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=37880#comment-27705 Peter
I think I =can figure out what you’re trying to say in your poorly edited post (too much Holy Water, anyone?)

But let’s look at it from another point of view shall we.
Let’s say ‘Christians’ (and I use the term loosely because religious nuts like yourself can hardly be considered ‘Christian’) were currently not allowed to marry and homosexuals were. would you feel the same then?
Of course not. Get down off your high-horse and start living in the real world.

I won’t touch your murder analogy.
‘Christians’ have been murdering people for centuries in the name of ‘God’ and ‘religion’.
Funny how crying ‘religious freedom’ and waving a massive piece of fiction in the air can let you get away with such atrocities against other human beings.

I always thought the point of ‘Christianity’ was to teach love and respect for your fellow man.

Seems all you want to do is preach hate. Guess that means you won’t be heading to heaven anytime soon.

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