Comments on: Anti-trans protesters interrupt Auckland’s pride march /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537 Setting Australia’s LGBTI agenda since 1979 Mon, 23 Apr 2018 05:07:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Jenny /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601440 Thu, 01 Mar 2018 03:20:55 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601440 I think they need to learn how to spell “sex” on that banner. I read it as “six”.

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By: Meagan /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601436 Wed, 28 Feb 2018 22:30:09 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601436 In reply to Steven.

Hi Steven,

I have often heard people site the big money being made by the medical industry by promoting “transgender ideology”. I can only speak from my personal experience, but I am a transgender woman. My HRT is a set of very common drugs already mass produced for other medical issues like high blood preassure and menopause. When I couldn’t get my insurance to pay for it, it was like fifty bucks a month. One of the primary surgeries offered to transgender women is GCS/SRS (you would know it as a sex change operation). When I have gotten quotes for GCS/SRS, the prices ranged from around 15k to as high as 22k. As a frame of reference an appendectome can cost between 33k and 55k. In the US they do about 220,000 appendectomes a year. There is a rough estimate of about 1.4 million transgender people in the US…total. Some number of those are female to males and some number are male to females. FTMs don’t get GCS too often because the medical science just isn’t there and the results aren’t as good as vaginoplasty. Some number of these transgender people can’t get GCS for medical reasons. Some number of these transgender people just can’t afford the procedure. Some number of these transgender people are too young to get the procedure yet. Out of the handful of doctors that do GCS in the US, some of those doctors do it because they themselves are transgender and want to help others in the same boat they are in. Many of these doctors in the US that do GCS have waiting lists over 3 years long.

So compared to ripping out an appendix at 2 to 3 times the money of a vaginoplasty procedure and probably less effort and time. Noting that HRT is already mass produced for other purposes and relatively low cost….also noting that there are only really a handfull of us any way…..where is all this money being made by big pharma. If it is such a huge windfall for them, why not stay quiet with your knowledge and invest?

There are very few children who are transgender. There is an entire set of guidelines to ensure someone is transgender and not suffering from some other issue. Children, the vast majority of the time, will not be given HRT until they are of adult age (there are some exceptions). Children can, after seeing a therapist for a long time, go on puberty blockers right as they start puberty….not at 8 like some would make you think. Puberty blockers can be discontinued without ill affect if the child changes their mind. Their puberty would just pick up from that point.

Being transgender is not generally something someone is going to latch on to for attention as it is a very difficult life. One of the things that makes it very difficult is the way the rest of society treats us. Being transgender is something that happens rarely to some people. Most of us know from a very early age. Helping children at a young age, saves lives and allows them a much easier path to living life as the opposite gender they were proclaimed at birth. After puberty is gone through, transition becomes much more difficult. The use of puberty blockers is something new here….but it has been done in Europe with very possitive results for a very long time.

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By: Maria /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601424 Wed, 28 Feb 2018 01:57:56 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601424 In reply to Steven.

TERFs do not have any respectful debate to give, they’re just bigoted people and hold the same views of the patriarchy, they’re really just people to find excuses to dislike people and often team up with conservatives for the chance to bring oppression to matters they don’t understand anything of.

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By: Jenny /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601423 Wed, 28 Feb 2018 01:56:09 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601423 In reply to Jade.

Okay you don’t know anything about the gay culture or how it even started, stonewall and gay movement started with transgender people, also gender and sexual orientation is very linked as you often view yourself as something when you have sex, like “this makes me feel like a woman” or something, and last time I checked it’s still difficult for transgender people to get medicalized

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By: Steven /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601395 Mon, 26 Feb 2018 02:03:00 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601395 In reply to Dave.

There is a body of scientific evidence and peer reviewed material that supports the view that the medicalisation of children (under 18year olds) is harmful. You don’t get to hear about it because it is often censored by news providers cowering at the threat of transgender complaints.

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By: Steven /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601394 Mon, 26 Feb 2018 01:53:31 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601394 In reply to Jason.

People such as yourself try to stifle debate with name calling. If you are so sure of your point of view you should welcome an opportunity to have a respectful debate on the topic. The medicalisation of children and the resultant life long drug dependency only benefits one group – pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders.

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By: Jade /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601393 Mon, 26 Feb 2018 01:02:34 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601393 Why do we continue to confuse identity, ie gender with sexual orientation? The LBDTIQ should really be the LGB&TIQ, a small change which would result in a significant shift in understanding. I have a Trans* past and know gay, lesbian, bisexual, heterosexual and other orientated Trans* Woman and Men.

Trans*people are already probably one of the most medicalised and pathologised minorities in our ‘civilised’ societies. Time to allow informed consent for hormones and surgeries and not necessarily restricted by age.

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By: Jason /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601389 Sun, 25 Feb 2018 18:16:28 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601389 TERFs are to the LGBT community what the Westboro Church is to Christianity.

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By: sylvia Kinder /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601384 Sat, 24 Feb 2018 23:36:28 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601384 How is making a point re children and sex hormones (at 16 you are still legally a child) anti trans. If I was expressing an opinion about concerns I had about lesbians treatment it does not make me anti lesbian. Lets stop this name calling and listen to each other about our concerns. What is wrong with open discussion and debate. Silencing debate with name calling is called bullying. We don’t all have to agree with each other all the time.

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By: Lee Anne leland /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601376 Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:12:15 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601376 Historically the Pride movement has had a history of throwing trans people off the bus then running over them. You say it has drawn little attention. One group noticed: The trans community did.

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By: Tim /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601365 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:44:09 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601365 There are cases of children under sixteen being given hormones, and the smear tactics of Rainbow Greens in response to this protest are truly shameful. Here is open letter with links which exposes the bullying:

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By: Calum /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601361 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:04:30 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601361 Where’s the evidence that they’re anti-trans? Where’s the interview that revealed them to be TERFs?
Why should Corrections NZ not be allowed to march? Most LGBT people aren’t SJWs and actually do welcome true diversity, i.e. of opinion.

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By: Sooz /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601359 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:36:34 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601359 Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists are motivated by a fear of losing womens inherent privilege over other members of society.

So they are trying to keep minority groups un-umpowered, as privilege is only privileg over other people, and if we are all equal then there is no such thing as privilege.

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By: Dave /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601358 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:34:53 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601358 In reply to Dave.

Check this out, I’ve got a thumbs down already – I don’t care about others’ opinions of me but I’d love to know the reason why my comment was objectionable to someone in this instance. Can anyone explain to me why the gay community seems to me to have as much anti-trans feeling as the broader community? I can recall a conversation with a lesbian 20 years ago who objected to me referring to a transgender woman as “she”.

Again I say, not cool. But if you think I’m wrong tell me why.

Meanwhile, perhaps the Star Observer could do an article on this?

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By: Steven /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601357 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:17:18 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601357 Children are being medicalised under 16 because they are being given puberty blockers. If you block puberty the child is denied puberty, which often eventuates in them realising that they are gay or lesbian and not trans.

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By: Marsha /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601356 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 06:58:14 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601356 We need to have an open frank and factual discussion about the medicalisation of children. Your paper could facilitate such a discussion rather than not print opposing views.

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By: Marsha /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601355 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 06:54:29 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601355 Transgender activists regularly make venues no platform women both lesbian and straight who try to put forward scientific evidence against the medicalisation of children. They even call any attempt at a conversation on the topic ‘violence’. This needs to change so all the evidence can be heard.

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By: Dave /news/international-news-news/anti-trans-protesters-interrupt-auckland-pride-march/166537#comment-601351 Thu, 22 Feb 2018 20:56:23 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=166537#comment-601351 This is judgemental and not evidence-based as near as I can understand it. Not cool. If you’ve got facts, evidence and peer-reviewed research that’s another story but in the absence of these things I think this could be pretty screwed up.

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